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Post by chuck on Jun 8, 2011 13:57:12 GMT -7
Then we come back full circle to the questions of origination and ownership.
Is it an Oregon State Program?
Is it an OSBA program?
Can OSBA be declared the exclusive participant?
Here's a hypothetical for you. OSBA apparently has put forward some money to get the program started. If I put the same money forward in the name of those that don't belong to OSBA could they then participate as a mentor?
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Post by drew on Jun 8, 2011 15:50:08 GMT -7
REALLY!!!!What is your issue with this program? They are trying to set up a mentor program for people in the state to use... No one is making money at this, TONS of time is donated for this from good people. All you guys can do is bitch about it I am sure there are better forums and groups that would be glad to have you. You wonder why so few good things ever get off the ground.
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Post by chuck on Jun 8, 2011 16:58:09 GMT -7
Well Drew.... Time to elevate the conversation above the personal attack level.
Take a step back and think about it. There are issues with the combination of public tax supported agencies like OSU and private associations like OSBA and exclusive arrangements.
How much money spent was a rational reasonable request and you will notice it wasn't my question.
Who can participate was and is a reasonable question even if the question generates views that you would rather not hear or consider.
Now is the prudent time to resolve those questions before they becomes cast in concrete.
To be clear nobody was "bitching" about the intent of the program. Nobody was "bitching" about the effort and good intentions of OSBA and it's members. Nobody was bitching about OSU's participation. All that being said there are legitimate questions about the combination of public and private and the assumption of a membership requirement in a private association to participate in a public program. Thus the question about the ownership of the program.
Surely you can't believe that OSBA members are the only ones capable helping out someone as they get started.
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Post by rbz on Jun 8, 2011 17:50:11 GMT -7
Perhaps a review of the by-Laws and club's Constitution would helpful..specifically...
ARTICLE II Purpose and Organization Section 1: Purpose—The purpose of this association is to unite the beekeepers of Oregon in an effort to improve beekeeping in the state.
Section 2: Organization—The association is organized exclusively for charitable, education, and/or scientific purposes under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. No part of the net earnings of Oregon State Beekeepers Association will inure to the benefit of or be distributable to its members, trustees, officers, or other private persons, except that Oregon State Beekeepers Association shall be authorized to pay reasonable compensation for services rendered and to make payments and distributions in furtherance of the purposes set forth in the organizing document and the application for federal tax exemption
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Post by OSU Bee Lab on Jun 8, 2011 21:46:41 GMT -7
Membership to OSBA is no longer a requirement of Oregon Master Beekeeper. All are welcome to participate in the program.
We initially wanted all participants to be OSBA members simply for the educational and networking benefits. However, Chuck has a valid point regarding a public institution requiring membership to a private organization. After careful consideration, we decided to drop the requirement and instead we will encourage membership to OSBA or any other beekeeping organization.
Thanks for the vigilance and the lively discussion. Hopefully we can now move on and focus our energy on recruiting mentors and developing a strong educational beekeeping program.
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Post by chuck on Jun 8, 2011 21:58:10 GMT -7
I applaud the change.
And in almost the same breath I urge one and all to join OSBA and actively participate in OSBA. Nothing is better than being able to "pick the brain" of somebody that has been there before you.
I recognize and applaud the contribution of current OSBA members in both time and currency.
Cross pollination is a good thing... just maybe a little "outside think" may be good for all.
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Post by bugleman on Jul 31, 2011 13:43:45 GMT -7
For one) I am not young nor inexperienced. 2) It is very healthy to question the powers that be. 3) It is a reasonable question to ask how much money my association is spending on a project. 4) At a time of decreasing health and vitality in alll of our hives it seems more prudent to spend our efforts and energies (grant writtings, money, time) directed toward solving these challenges than creating a Master in beekeeping program. 5) Is there a better place to discuss this than on a ORSBA discussion board?
Edit
Ok just read page 2 looks like some good has already come from this discussion.
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Post by bugleman on Jul 31, 2011 13:51:58 GMT -7
6) This single headed beast is now clearly state owned.
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Post by Jeb Milstad on Jul 31, 2011 22:11:32 GMT -7
7) lay off the sauce and you will feel better in the morning with or without master beekeepers. 8)Schick Shadel Hospital - Alcohol Recovery In 10 Days. www.schickshadel.com Good luck, you can do it. Jeb
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Post by bugleman on Aug 11, 2011 15:41:00 GMT -7
Honestly I have't even ever made mead B4.
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Post by toddbalsiger on Nov 10, 2012 9:54:27 GMT -7
I did not know there is the forum over here. I for one think the Master program is excellent. Long ago I considered taking a Master Beekeeper class at Simon Fraser University. I didn't do it -- logistics, distance, etc.
Now we have one right in our backyard! If I was young again with the same inclinations, I'd be part of the Oregon State Master Beek program.
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